Mozart's Jupiter

[Preston]

If you find the opening weak, what about the pathetic excuse for a theme that Mozart uses in the final movement - a mere tag taken from an excercise book on counterpoint!

lol

i agree with Michael. PM, you may not enjoy his music, that is yours to decide. but there is not denying his unimaginable talent, musical-genius, etc. even if i did not like the jupiter i would not bash it.

this reminds me of something: on youtube i have read some of the worst and hateful comments about many types of music, that is generally considered quite good. my point is people act as if they could write the music better, it seems, than the musician?

such as:
"well i would have done this at this part"
"this music sucks" (even though it is considered brilliant by many)
etc.

and it is with all music, not just classical. to any people - if you don't like - fine - but stop the bashing and hate. though, i am guilty of it also, at least at times.

i am confused and must stop posting. i do not even know if what i have written makes any sense???

[Michael]

I'm tired of reading all of the egghead's in ivory tower accolades and want to know what do real people think about this music. Especially the first few bars.

I find it lacking in power as the opening hook is weak.

thx

If you find the opening weak, what about the pathetic excuse for a theme that Mozart uses in the final movement - a mere tag taken from an excercise book on counterpoint!

But what that man made of this unpromising material is one of the wonders of this world - and so is every bar of the Jupiter! He knew what he was doing.

(Added later) Sorry about the cryptic nature of the above which may not have been very helpful.

I can understand your being underwhelmed by this symphony but - please - give it another chance. I absolutely detested it when I first heard it many years ago - but it demands repeated listening. I think the problem lies with our 21st century ears which have become accustomed to exotic harmonies and luxurious orchestration. It's very hard to clean out those ears and listen to how this music must have sounded in the 1790s or thereabouts.

Before this symphony was composed, the emphasis was always on the first movement. Mozart's achievement here was to allow the last movement to become the climax of the whole symphony. This might account for the perception of the first movement as being less interesting than that of, say, the preceding symphony, the glorious G minor. But give it time!

Without the Jupiter, there would have been no Eroica, Fifth or Ninth.

[painter_mindscapes]

I'm tired of reading all of the egghead's in ivory tower accolades and want to know what do real people think about this music. Especially the first few bars.

I find it lacking in power as the opening hook is weak.

thx