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Old 12-20-2000, 09:47 AM   #1
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Hi everyone!

During this lull in bulletin board activity, I thought it might be nice to try & encourage some new people to share their views on Beethoven with the rest of us. This is a great site, but it could do with some new blood.

Maybe some people think that they`re not `expert` enough to post, but they`re wrong
No one knows it all - I`m learning all the time - and even if people can`t really give reasons as to why they enjoy certain pieces, I`d still like to read about what they like. Or what they don`t!

So how about it, friends? You can still post in time for Christmas!
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During this lull in bulletin board activity, I thought it might be nice to try & encourage some new people to share their views on Beethoven with the rest of us. This is a great site, but it could do with some new blood.
We haven't been going very long PDG! On the other hand the sites specific nature works against a large number of regular comentators. Beethoven specialists are few and far between, this I know for a fact. General classical music forums have dozens of punters having a go but in the end not saying very much.

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Not even me?

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So how about it, friends? You can still post in time for Christmas!
Everything comes to he who waits! This will probably be my last post for a week or two, unless I can find an internet cafe in the frozen wastelands of North England, so everyone have a good holiday, have a drink on me*, and have a toast to my good health.

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We haven't been going very long PDG! On the other hand the sites specific nature works against a large number of regular comentators. Beethoven specialists are few and far between, this I know for a fact

Only since September in fact - so I am pleased that in the few months we have been going, we have built a core of enthusiasts that is steadily growing. As PDG says, everyone with an interest in Beethoven is welcome to join.

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I'll go on the record to say that whatever "lull" may exist now, it is yards ahead of the conversation available at this forum's nearest competitor, and I have made it amply clear there why that's the case. Let us hope it stays this way into the new millennium! And Rod, I'll take you up on your drink prerogative. Cheers to all!
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I should also say that no, Rod, you DON'T know it all. You really like to think so, though. Circumspection of opinion would seem to strike you as a vice or something. I wonder, Rod, if you've ever stopped to think about how bothersome that gets.
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I should also say that no, Rod, you DON'T know it all. You really like to think so, though. Circumspection of opinion would seem to strike you as a vice or something. I wonder, Rod, if you've ever stopped to think about how bothersome that gets.
You are correct in that I must confess that I do not know Beethoven's hat size, but I find your literal interpretation of everything I write a little bothersome too.

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Well, gee, Rod, since we're on a faceless forum where all we have to work with is what we write (not what we say or how we say it), what else do you expect me, or us, to think when you write or give clues that you think yourself or your opinions better than your respondents'? "Literal interpretation" of what you write?! What else would you have me do?
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This topic was started by PDG in order to attract new members but if they see us arguing like this, I doubt if they will be inclined to join!
Serge and Rod: Could we declare a truce for Christmas?
Thanks for the seasonal wishes, Serge, and don't take Rod too seriously. His tongue is planted in his cheek most of the time! (I hope!)
Again, seasonal wishes to all, Rod, Leslie,Chris,Peter, Suzie, PGD .....and anyone else I can't think of ... which is quite a lot ... I've had some punch (hic!)

And all you lurkers out there ... write to us! We're really a lovely bunch - as all Beethoven lovers would have to be!

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Again, seasonal wishes to all, Rod, Leslie,Chris,Peter, Suzie, PGD .....and anyone else I can't think of ... which is quite a lot ... I've had some punch (hic!)

And all you lurkers out there ... write to us! We're really a lovely bunch - as all Beethoven lovers would have to be!

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Thanks, Michael. You have a wonderful holiday too!

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This topic was started by PDG in order to attract new members but if they see us arguing like this, I doubt if they will be inclined to join!
Serge and Rod: Could we declare a truce for Christmas?
Thanks for the seasonal wishes, Serge, and don't take Rod too seriously. His tongue is planted in his cheek most of the time! (I hope!)
Again, seasonal wishes to all, Rod, Leslie,Chris,Peter, Suzie, PGD .....and anyone else I can't think of ... which is quite a lot ... I've had some punch (hic!)
And all you lurkers out there ... write to us! We're really a lovely bunch - as all Beethoven lovers would have to be!
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Cheers, Michael & everybody else.

By the way, Michael, you slightly misspelt my name. PDG is an extremely common name so you really have no excuse, although to make sure, I did check my birth certificate. It clearly states, "First christian name of child.....PDG." Of course, when you think about it, who would WANT to be saddled with a name like PGD? I mean it`s soooo silly. Thank God my parents are sensible people.
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Cheers, Michael & everybody else.

By the way, Michael, you slightly misspelt my name. )
Sorry ... blame the Christmas spirits. Anyway, by now I should be able to call you by your first name, P.
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Cheers, Michael & everybody else.

By the way, Michael, you slightly misspelt my name. PDG is an extremely common name so you really have no excuse, although to make sure, I did check my birth certificate. It clearly states, "First christian name of child.....PDG." Of course, when you think about it, who would WANT to be saddled with a name like PGD? I mean it`s soooo silly. Thank God my parents are sensible people.


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Crikey Megan, this thread is 17 years old! I doubt you'll get a response from PDG now unless he's still lurking somewhere.
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Crikey Megan, this thread is 17 years old! I doubt you'll get a response from PDG now unless he's still lurking somewhere.

Oh shock! I don't know how this page came up but I replied to it and never looked at the date! I hope PDG. is still around.
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Oh shock! I don't know how this page came up but I replied to it and never looked at the date! I hope PDG. is still around.
When I opened it I thought PDG had returned to the fold! Then I saw the date.
And the replies from almost 18 years ago!

Don't do things like that to us, Megan!!!
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When I opened it I thought PDG had returned to the fold! Then I saw the date.
And the replies from almost 18 years ago!

Don't do things like that to us, Megan!!!

Well,to soften the blow, I hope you were sitting down when you discovered a reply here after so long!
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When I opened it I thought PDG had returned to the fold! Then I saw the date.
And the replies from almost 18 years ago!

Don't do things like that to us, Megan!!!
I had the same reaction here. Then I saw Rod's reply and realized this wasn't new.
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And here I thought the old gang was back together again!
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I too was thinking that this was a blast from the past and that the old gang was back again. Then I noticed the year date of those posts to see that it was way back in 2000. How time flies when you're having fun...
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I too was thinking that this was a blast from the past and that the old gang was back again. Then I noticed the year date of those posts to see that it was way back in 2000. How time flies when you're having fun...
Indeed, it's 14 years since we met up with Bernard in Vienna!
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Ah yes, I remember it well...
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Ah yes, I remember it well...
Actually it'll be 15 years this August - I remember it was during the heatwave. Had a really great time and hope to come back some day soon and this time make it up the Kahlenberg!
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Actually it'll be 15 years this August - I remember it was during the heatwave. Had a really great time and hope to come back some day soon and this time make it up the Kahlenberg!
Spring or Fall would be the better times of the year to come to Vienna. The summers here lately have been hotter than normal and Austria is a country where A/C is few and far between. Due to my heat sensitive fibromyalgia I end up having to avoid going out into the heat. This means that a good 95% of my summer days are spent in my flat with the window shades pulled down and drinking iced tea.

So Peter, if you visit here again and it's not during the summer heat, I would love to get together and show you Kahlenberg and maybe see some other places you missed on your last trip here.
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It was PDG who started this thread many years ago. A true Beethoven fan, for some reason he hated (or so he claimed) the composer's folksong arrangements.
So, I just came across this news item about a current performance of these works (roughly 140 of them!) in the Beethovenhaus in Bonn.
If you're out there, PDG, this is for you:

http://www.dw.com/en/bthvn-week-expl...sic/a-42306468
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Hi everyone!

During this lull in bulletin board activity, I thought it might be nice to try & encourage some new people to share their views on Beethoven with the rest of us. This is a great site, but it could do with some new blood.

Maybe some people think that they`re not `expert` enough to post, but they`re wrong
No one knows it all - I`m learning all the time - and even if people can`t really give reasons as to why they enjoy certain pieces, I`d still like to read about what they like. Or what they don`t!

So how about it, friends? You can still post in time for Christmas!
Hi!

I'm currently listening Op. 127 played by the Cleveland Quartet. Fantastic work as usual.

Needless to say, I like a lot of his music; here are a few that come to mind (in no particular order):

Missa solemnis
Piano Concertos 3 and 4
An die ferne Geliebte, op. 98
String Quartets (all of them; favourite here would be ABC quartets--particularly No. 14)
Piano Sonatas (can't go wrong with these; absolutely in love with op. 111)
Cello Sonatas, op. 5
Symphonies (9th, 3rd, 5th especially)
Piano Trio 5 'Ghost'
Coriolan

Seeing as this is an old thread, I do hope this post finds you somewhere out there.

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Welcome, Jacred! You've got a nice cross-section of Beethoven's works there. And of course there are hidden gems around every corner!
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Yes indeed! Welcome to the forum, Jacred. Always nice to see a new face here.
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This old thread is getting some amazing results! Welcome to the forum!
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Welcome aboard Jacred, Nice selection of Beethoven's works. Have you been to any performances?
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Welcome, Jacred!

My own introduction came on 5's: the 5th symphony and 5th Piano Concerto and from there branched out. Seems I'm particularly partial to the piano music.
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Welcome Jacred - some interesting choices there and it looks like you're especially drawn to the later works?
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Thank you! I try to maintain variety. Which is why I find myself prodding around his WoO so often these days.

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Thanks! I've attended a few performances by the Toronto Symphony Orchestra. The first concert I went to performed Beethoven's 5th symphony--my 15-year-old self was very impressed! Most recently, I went to a concert of Bach's Brandenburg Concertos 1 and 3 and Brahms' 4th symphony.

I'm a college freshman, so I don't travel around much. My friends and I are going to a performance of Beethoven's 4th piano concerto and the Symphonie Fantastique in a few days. Exciting, isn't it?

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My own introduction came on 5's: the 5th symphony and 5th Piano Concerto and from there branched out. Seems I'm particularly partial to the piano music.
Hi Sorrano! It seems like we're not very different. His 5th symphony and his 5th piano concerto were early favourites of mine too (and they still are). I also stuck to his piano sonatas a lot when I first started. The Hammerklavier was the "point of no return" for me; I think after listening to it a few times, my passion for Beethoven was pretty much cemented.
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Thanks for the welcome.

Yes, I really like his later works! But I do listen to his earlier works at least as much. I actually started out somewhere in the middle of his output.
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Thanks for the welcome.

Yes, I really like his later works! But I do listen to his earlier works at least as much. I actually started out somewhere in the middle of his output.
Wonderful that you started so young listening to classical music and Beethoven in particular. My first introduction to Beethoven was an LP of the 4th and 5th symphonies and I was also instantly hooked!
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Still lurking, Peter, but never with menaces...I hope you're well...
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I am , Megan, Thank you. I'm fine. Still listening to great music. I trust you are well, too.
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Wonderful that you started so young listening to classical music and Beethoven in particular. My first introduction to Beethoven was an LP of the 4th and 5th symphonies and I was also instantly hooked!
It's an amazing feeling to actually "get" Beethoven for the first time, instead of following what everyone else tells you about him. And then to step off the beaten path a bit and listen to his less popular works.

Somehow, I thought of this quote:

"...meaningless blur of disco beats, hip-hop samples, jingles, and ringtones. Can Beethoven ever elude the fate of monumental meaninglessness to which he seems consigned?"
Article: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...deus-ex-musica

I know it's not like that here, good thing. I guess part of what drew me to Beethoven was realizing how much his music reflected the dynamic person that he was--someone who was simultaneously ordinary and extraordinary.
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No reason why we shouldn't be, Joy? Although of course I can't speak for the other long-time absentees...
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