The life of Anton Bruckner

[Sorrano]

I need to download that so I can watch it as I have time.

[Quijote]

I still haven't had the chance to watch this film, dammit !

[Peter]

I'm not making the fuss, you are the one labouring the point with endless questions. I have already said I will enjoy the Bruckner documentary, and I thank Enrique for posting it.
Next.

Well I did move on to 'next' with the question about the perception of classical music. Is that not 'charged with connotations of social class and privilege'? No need to answer that here, I think it perhaps deserves its own thread if you're up for the bait!


But let's get back to Bruckner - I need to make time to watch this.

[Quijote]

I really don't why you're making such a fuss about this guy's voice except that it's a silly PC point you're applying retrospectively. What about the documentary - is it a good film about Bruckner? I'm sure that's what Enrique posted it for not to debate accents.

I'm not making the fuss, you are the one labouring the point with endless questions. I have already said I will enjoy the Bruckner documentary, and I thank Enrique for posting it.
Next.

[Peter]

Not such a strange question. Is Beethoven given a blue-collar accent in the various films we have about him? Or at least a heavy regional one (which kind of translates into the same)? No, in the films I have seen he sounds 'very proper' even though we know he was mocked for his accent in Vienna.
Yes, I remember the World at War series, an excellent one. No, I never questioned the choice of narrator. Why would Sid James strike us a ridiculous? Not enough gravitas? Why would that be so?

I really don't why you're making such a fuss about this guy's voice except that it's a silly PC point you're applying retrospectively. What about the documentary - is it a good film about Bruckner? I'm sure that's what Enrique posted it for not to debate accents.

[Quijote]

It isn't difficult but it is a strange question to ask - Do you remember the excellent series 'World at war' narrated by Laurence Olivier? - it never occurred to me to ask why they didn't choose Sid James!

I haven't watched the documentary on Bruckner yet, but I'm far more interested in that than what the narrator sounds like, so do we have any reviews yet?

Not such a strange question. Is Beethoven given a blue-collar accent in the various films we have about him? Or at least a heavy regional one (which kind of translates into the same)? No, in the films I have seen he sounds 'very proper' even though we know he was mocked for his accent in Vienna.
Yes, I remember the World at War series, an excellent one. No, I never questioned the choice of narrator. Why would Sid James strike us a ridiculous? Not enough gravitas? Why would that be so?

[Peter]

In the video Enrique posted, Bruckner's narrator's voice is given a 'blue-collar' accent. Why did they choose to do so?
Whilst you consider that not too difficult a question, the film reminded me of another story about Bruckner's drinking habits : that he liked his Pils beer. That after not being invited to dine at the 'high table' with the notables following the premier of one his masses he went to his local winstub and ordered a 5-course meal with 5 beers and 3 differernt wines. I tell you, I like Bruckner.

It isn't difficult but it is a strange question to ask - Do you remember the excellent series 'World at war' narrated by Laurence Olivier? - it never occurred to me to ask why they didn't choose Sid James!

I haven't watched the documentary on Bruckner yet, but I'm far more interested in that than what the narrator sounds like, so do we have any reviews yet?

[Quijote]

Further thoughts on this, doesn't classical music in general suffer from the same prejudices? Amusing video yes but we have sunk somewhat from the sublimity of Bruckner!

In the video Enrique posted, Bruckner's narrator's voice is given a 'blue-collar' accent. Why did they choose to do so?
Whilst you consider that not too difficult a question, the film reminded me of another story about Bruckner's drinking habits : that he liked his Pils beer. That after not being invited to dine at the 'high table' with the notables following the premier of one his masses he went to his local winstub and ordered a 5-course meal with 5 beers and 3 differernt wines. I tell you, I like Bruckner.

[Peter]

Personally, it's rather charged with connotations of social class and privilege. But as I said, once I have sidelined the tone of the narrator's voice I shall enjoy the film.

Further thoughts on this, doesn't classical music in general suffer from the same prejudices? Amusing video yes but we have sunk somewhat from the sublimity of Bruckner!

[Quijote]

It was a style of its time - at least you can clearly understand what he's saying! In any case if you're (rightly) not going to judge people on the way they speak, surely this guy is entitled to the same respect if we're not going to be hypocritical about it?

Yes. Please do check out this YouTube link which is humorously linked to the idea:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQWPR9TM0Gk

[Peter]

Personally, it's rather charged with connotations of social class and privilege. But as I said, once I have sidelined the tone of the narrator's voice I shall enjoy the film.

It was a style of its time - at least you can clearly understand what he's saying! In anycase if you're (rightly) not going to judge people on the way they speak, surely this guy is entitled to the same respect if we're not going to be hypocritical about it?

[Quijote]

Personally, it's rather charged with connotations of social class and privilege. But as I said, once I have sidelined the tone of the narrator's voice I shall enjoy the film.

[Enrique]

Don't you know the answer?

[Quijote]

Has the received pronunciation anything bad? I thought it was the correct pronunciation to use.

An excellent question. That should be answered.

[Enrique]

Has the received pronunciation anything bad? I thought it was the correct pronunciation to use.