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Rod
09-06-2000, 03:18 PM
Anyone who, like me, feels that recordings of these works lean a little too much on the sentimental (romantic) side may like to try out a new authentic instrument recording on the Sony Classics lable by Jos van Immerseel (fp) Anner Bylsma (vc) and Vera Beths (vn). With op97 the tempi are a little tighter than we are generally used to, which tend to be a little too moderate with the moderato movements (i and iv) and the scherzo also.
With op70/1 the first and last movements, which due to their compessed nature can sound a little overbearing played traditionally, gain some clarity from the leaner textured period instruments. The slow movement is played much quicker than normal, which benefits the melodic line - this movement is usually pushed too far for me regarding tempo. The work as a whole I believe works better as a homogeneous unit with a quicker Largo. Otherwise movements i and iii become merely prologue and afterthought. Of course others may differ regarding the above points...

Rod

Peter
09-07-2000, 12:05 AM
Well thanks for the recommendation Rod - I have a recording of Op.97,also with Op.70 no.1 played by Eugene Istomin, Isaac Stern and Leonard Rose - One sure way of comparing the tempos of the movements you mention is to compare the timings !
Op.97 1st movement - 13'46
4th movement - 7'20
Op.70 2nd movement - 10'53

I agree that the Scherzo from Op.97 is often too leisurely, the Andante which lasts 12'26 on this recording is also a little slow.

Rod
09-10-2000, 10:21 PM
Originally posted by Peter:

Well thanks for the recommendation Rod - I have a recording of Op.97,also with Op.70 no.1 played by Eugene Istomin, Isaac Stern and Leonard Rose - One sure way of comparing the tempos of the movements you mention is to compare the timings !
Op.97 1st movement - 13'46
4th movement - 7'20
Op.70 2nd movement - 10'53

I agree that the Scherzo from Op.97 is often too leisurely, the Andante which lasts 12'26 on this recording is also a little slow.

Here are the timings for my recommendation:

op97:
i: 12.09
ii: 6.24
iii: 10.58
iv: 7.19

op70/1:
ii: 9.01

I have heard your recoeding and quite like the outer movements of op97, but their op70/1 does nothing for me. The scherzo of my recommendation although fairly quick, could be quicker still. I have an older recording by the castle trio that is really (but still realistically) swift, swift enough for them to credibly observe the repeat of the dark trio section - something I have never heard on any other recording - in this case the scherzo lasts 9.53. I regard the slow interpretation of this movement as the reason why the repeat is not observed.

Rod