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Claire W
04-18-2001, 01:57 AM
I was at work today at a well known jewellers (which I do part time to pay for instrumental tuition and also perhaps more importantly beer whilst I study) and it happened to come up in conversation that I was a student. Basically when I told them that I studied music they said that it was a 'mickey mouse' subject. "What are you going to do with that then?" I was asked. I told them that there were many things I could go into but I was thinking of either being a professional singer or a composer or even both. Not only did they spend the next TEN (!) minutes going on about 'classical' music and how boring and what a waste of time it all was but then they started going on about paying for all these students to go to university and laze about doing nothing and spending all the governments money! I nearly smacked them both over the head with the 'nice' piece of porcelain they were looking at!

Why are people so ignorant to people of the arts? Would I have received the same reaction if I said I was doing biological sciences, engineering or maths? I think the amswer is no. As for the remarks about the music which I love and live for well, what can I say? Should I have to keep on apolgising for being an arts student and for the music that I study?

Please tell I'm not going mad.

Claire
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Chris
04-18-2001, 02:23 AM
I don't know. Going into music is an abysmally stupid career move. Of course, if money is not your main concern, then you might as well have fun with your carrer, and what's more fun than music?

Claire W
04-18-2001, 02:28 AM
Originally posted by Chris:
I don't know. Going into music is an abysmally stupid career move. Of course, if money is not your main concern, then you might as well have fun with your carrer, and what's more fun than music?


What would you rather be- happy but not with a load of cash, or totally unhappy but rolling in it?

~Leslie
04-18-2001, 02:36 AM
Claire, I don't know how old you are, but I would venture to guess you are between the ages of 18 & 22.

Aside from the fact that those ppl were exceptionally rude and tacky,
the general gist of the message is:

There are ways to make a living in the music business, such as in marketing, working on a technical level in a recording studio, teaching, etc., but unless you have extraordinary talent on a given instrument(s),and or sight read exceptionally well, the performing arts, or composition, will be horribly tough to survive on. There are enough ppl in this forum alone, who will verify this to you.

It is ashame that ppl call classical music boring, an open admission that they don't appreciate or understand the arts, ironically enough, they're willing to shell out alot of dough for fine china, a visual status symbol
that collects alot of dust, and has potential to wind up shattered on the floor, courtesy of a common household cat .

Let them eat cake, the schmucks.

My message to you though, is to pursue the muse with your eyes (and ears)wide open, after all, it's still your life, and it's your choice. ~

Claire W
04-18-2001, 03:10 AM
Who knows what will happen. Maybe I will reach my potential, maybe I won't. But hey, I'm going to give it the best damn shot I can and give it all I have got and more. And if I don't quite make it, I can teach music with the diplomas I have and be happy. I'm not scared really (?).

Claire
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Chris
04-18-2001, 03:29 AM
Originally posted by Claire W:

What would you rather be- happy but not with a load of cash, or totally unhappy but rolling in it?

Honestly, the only reason I did not go into music was so I could make a good salary and provide well for a wife and a few kids. That is more important to me than music. Unfortunately, it looks like I may wind up with a life of bachelorhood after all http://www.gyrix.com/~cgraye/ubb/frown.gif Perhaps I should have gone into music...

Peter
04-18-2001, 02:15 PM
I used to get this all the time - are you sure you're doing the right thing? , there's no money in it, it's so stressful etc.... Where would all the great orchestras and musicians be if they had listened to the barrage of negative remarks inflicted on them? I think if someone wants to go into music, they should damn well be allowed to get on with it and with a bit more encouragement! Nothing is certain in life (except death and taxes) and anyone can be struck down at any time ! OK you may not end up a millionaire (there's no guarantee of that in any profession), but at least you'll be doing what you love and that is far more than most people can say. There are so many different options in music and I don't think being a teacher should be regarded as some kind of failure.

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PDG
04-18-2001, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by Claire W:
Who knows what will happen. Maybe I will reach my potential, maybe I won't. But hey, I'm going to give it the best damn shot I can and give it all I have got and more. And if I don't quite make it, I can teach music with the diplomas I have and be happy. I'm not scared really (?).
Claire
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Maybe you could combine your two great loves, & invent MUSICAL CHOCOLATE!!! (You know, along the lines of alphabet spaghetti, it's not as daft as it sounds...............) http://www.gyrix.com/~cgraye/ubb/rolleyes.gif

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PDG (Peter)

Suzie
04-18-2001, 10:43 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Claire W:
[B]I was at work today at a well known jewellers (which I do part time to pay for instrumental tuition and also perhaps more importantly beer whilst I study) and it happened to come up in conversation that I was a student. Basically when I told them that I studied music they said that it was a 'mickey mouse' subject. "What are you going to do with that then?" I was asked. I told them that there were many things I could go into but I was thinking of either being a professional singer or a composer or even both. Not only did they spend the next TEN (!) minutes going on about 'classical' music and how boring and what a waste of time it all was but then they started going on about paying for all these students to go to university and laze about doing nothing and spending all the governments money! I nearly smacked them both over the head with the 'nice' piece of porcelain they were looking at!

Why are people so ignorant to people of the arts? Would I have received the same reaction if I said I was doing biological sciences, engineering or maths? I think the amswer is no. As for the remarks about the music which I love and live for well, what can I say? Should I have to keep on apolgising for being an arts student and for the music that I study?

Please tell I'm not going mad.

Claire


My father was very unhappy when I started college. He thought 'book learning' was ridiculous and the only way a person could get ahead was with hard work. When I signed up for piano lessons, he absolutely blew up. If I had it to do over again, I would have not have let people pressure me out of what I loved. If you're not careful, Claire, you could wind up doing something intensely unsatisfying, like writing checks to greedy doctors, whilst you listen to your Beethoven CD's.

Good luck http://www.gyrix.com/~cgraye/ubb/smile.gif
Suz

Claire W
04-19-2001, 02:10 AM
Originally posted by PDG:
Maybe you could combine your two great loves, & invent MUSICAL CHOCOLATE!!! (You know, along the lines of alphabet spaghetti, it's not as daft as it sounds...............) http://www.gyrix.com/~cgraye/ubb/rolleyes.gif



Hmmm.... perhaps chocolate that when you take the wrapper off the bar starts to play the overture to Fidelio? But then would it still be playing in your stomach? Or Beethoven shaped fancies?............... http://www.gyrix.com/~cgraye/ubb/smile.gif

PDG
04-19-2001, 06:27 AM
No, then it becomes Foodelio.

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PDG (Peter)

stout
04-19-2001, 06:33 AM
Your not going nuts my dear madam. I sometimes think our kind are a dying a breed. I see many stupid people every day-and I am just 16. People do to understand I think Beethoven, Schubert, or even Chopin. I guess if they cannot dance to it its "boring".
I must say you and myself are in the same boat as far as being composers. It is not easy life. You work at a well known jewler and I am just a composer, with student on the side. Does your jewlery store by chance sell the Bond Omega seamaster?
Anyway, you keep listening to Beethoven! The man was a genius. I keep thinking to myself when people make fun of me where they will end up in years to come. Most people at my school smoke weed and make fun of me because I yell out tunes for concertos and symphonies at the top of my lungs. But your friends that make fun of you-where will they be when you become a great composer, or possibly the next great female vocalist?
Regards my dear madame

Stout

~Leslie
04-19-2001, 12:34 PM
PDG, They actually sell little confections at the Mozarteum(?) in Austria. They are wrapped in foil with his picture on them.

Alas, chocolate - being one of the four major food groups, the sentiment is so short-lived, personally I think I would prefer manufacturing something lasting.....like music boxes.

Then I'd sell them to dolts like the ones Claire was waiting on in the jewelry shop. ~

[This message has been edited by ~Leslie (edited 04-19-2001).]

Claire W
04-19-2001, 05:56 PM
Originally posted by ~Leslie:
PDG, They actually sell little confections at the Mozarteum(?) in Austria. They are wrapped in foil with his picture on them.


I have seen them. Anyone ever had Mozart chocolate liquer? Never nice indeed. Not sure it tasted very Mozartian though!

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Rod
04-19-2001, 07:17 PM
Originally posted by Claire W:
I have seen them. Anyone ever had Mozart chocolate liquer? Never nice indeed. Not sure it tasted very Mozartian though!

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It tasted too 'heavy' for Mozart? In Vienna you can buy ANYTHING with Mozart's picture on it, or J Strauss's. I was looking for some Beethoven Chocolate but couldn't find any. The Viennese have a preference for their local boys as opposed to a German import!

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"If I were but of noble birth..." - Rod Corkin

Claire W
04-20-2001, 11:38 PM
I did get a fantastic Beethoven bust though. Was great until the parents dropped 'pearl' emulsion on it and decided to paint the whole thing!! Could not believe it. Also was bought a Beethoven umbrella by the grandparents whilst we were there. The effect the liquid chocolate stuff had on me was not very Mozartian me thinks. Quite powerful stuff!

MICAULT-VERHAEGHE
05-12-2001, 03:04 AM
To CLaire :
Everybody was against my idea of doing music: My parents were totally for a job as a business woman, the teachers told me I would starve doing that... Well I am earning my life honnestly, I live with Beethoven, Chopin, Verdi, Puccini e tutti quanti, and be very happy....
Yesterday I had for present... a box of chocolates called "BEETHOVEN"... Marc de champagne-kir royal pralinés. They are sold here in Saarbrücken in the big stores !!! They are with the STIELER's portrait on each chocolate... I just cannot open one of them !
I just hope that all my friends and my students, knowing my passion for B. will not bring me those chocolates. Otherwise I will have to change appartment for I will collect them !


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PDG
05-12-2001, 06:57 AM
Originally posted by MICAULT-VERHAEGHE:
To CLaire :

Yesterday I had for present... a box of chocolates called "BEETHOVEN"... Marc de champagne-kir royal pralinés. They are sold here in Saarbrücken in the big stores !!! They are with the STIELER's portrait on each chocolate... I just cannot open one of them !
I just hope that all my friends and my students, knowing my passion for B. will not bring me those chocolates. Otherwise I will have to change appartment for I will collect them !


Claudie (I hope this is correct?!), I can tell you that ClaireW would be unable to resist opening those chocolates! Women & chocolate!! What's it all about, ladies?? http://www.gyrix.com/~cgraye/ubb/confused.gif

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PDG (Peter)

MICAULT-VERHAEGHE
05-13-2001, 07:42 PM
To PDG Peter...
Well... I have tested one chocolate !!!!! Very good indeed... Nothing to do with the Mozart-Kugeln !
Yes Claudie is right. I tried to change my profile but it did not work (I must be stupid somewhere...) I think I have to register again from the start ???

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Prof. VERHAEGHE-MICAULT

PDG
05-14-2001, 06:41 AM
Claudie,

I believe that a change of name in your profile means having a new profile. If you wish to post as Claudie, then simply re-register!

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PDG (Peter)

~Leslie
05-14-2001, 12:17 PM
Pssssssssssst Peter, The secret story behind why women love chocolate is that it produces the same chemical in the brain as one experiences while in love. I am not making this up!~

Rod
05-14-2001, 04:00 PM
Originally posted by ~Leslie:
Pssssssssssst Peter, The secret story behind why women love chocolate is that it produces the same chemical in the brain as one experiences while in love. I am not making this up!~

I can confirm the correctness of this remark, but this sensation is not restricted to just women. However I'd prefer to be in the sack with my 'close friend' Cindy Crawford, than with a box of cheap English chocolates.


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"If I were but of noble birth..." - Rod Corkin

PDG
05-14-2001, 07:15 PM
Originally posted by ~Leslie:
Pssssssssssst Peter, The secret story behind why women love chocolate is that it produces the same chemical in the brain as one experiences while in love. I am not making this up!~

Yeah, while in love with chocolate!!

PDG
05-14-2001, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by Rod:
I can confirm the correctness of this remark, but this sensation is not restricted to just women. However I'd prefer to be in the sack with my 'close friend' Cindy Crawford, than with a box of cheap English chocolates.


Quite right. Cindy melts your heart, whereas cheap chocolates simply melt.

MICAULT-VERHAEGHE
05-14-2001, 08:13 PM
Well... I have just finished all the chocolates... and I feel very good !!! The B.'s chocolates are sold in all Germany (KARSTADT Shops) and (I have heard that today) also in B.'s Haus in Bonn. They also sell a B. perfume, and a B. wine told to be made in Ehrenbreitstadt (his mother came from this towm)... Everything just to make money !!! Anyway those chocolates are nice.... (beeing from flemish origins -like B. !!!) I am a specialist in chocolates. So all the visitors of B's Haus will go around with a B. bag, a B. T-Shirt, the B. perfume, a bottle of B. wine to drink in a B. cup... and with B. chocolates....

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Prof. VERHAEGHE-MICAULT