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Rod
04-02-2001, 04:13 PM
Whilst waiting for the considered discussion, that my apparent obsession with authentic performance was allegedly stifling, to begin, I have some true Beethovenian mysteries worthy of Hitchcock that I would like to relate...

Firstly, on the anniversary of Beethoven's death just a few days ago, I was having lunch at my usual cafe. I bought some tea and, having a sweet tooth, proceeded to get a few sachets of sugar to go with it. I stuck my hand in the bowl of sachets and plucked out one without thinking anything of it. However, I looked at the sachet and to my amazement there was Beethoven's face staring up at me printed on the packet! A shiver went down my spine. I grabbed a few more and it soon transpired that a different famous person's face was on each of the bags of sugar. But wasn't it spooky that I picked out one with Beethoven on it on his anniversary! Of course I did not rip the sachet, but took it home. Alas Willy Shakespear and Abe Lincon were decapitated....

Story number two. This relates to an earlier discussion here about how classical music fans are percieved by 'outsiders'. About three weeks ago I was in the office demonstrating the excellent 'iTunes' software with the help of some Beethoven. A nubile young office assistant, who we had recently hired, looked on, then at me rather strangely. She said 'I thought all people who liked classical music were mad!' Whilst saying this she gesticulated in the manner of a frenzied conductor. I gave her a condesending look, but realised that the inference of her remark was that the impression I had given her of myself, up until then, was NOT one of madness. However, I remained silent and though to myself, 'just wait until we go away to our next convention my lady....I'll give you a good seeing to...'. That'll teach her.

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"If I were but of noble birth..." - Rod Corkin


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Serge
04-02-2001, 05:15 PM
Regarding your first story's unique synchronicity, that sort of occurrence is very meaningful to me. I find I only hear of or actually experience such events when they involve things of important personal nature. I really am curious what these events mean (if anything).

I'm still trying to figure out what the mystery is behind your second anecdote. Are you saying that you're surprised that the new assistant would assume c.m. lovers were "mad" despite the fact you personally gave her no reason to think it? Why would that be a mystery to you? And exactly what will you "teach her"?

Rod
04-02-2001, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by Serge:

I'm still trying to figure out what the mystery is behind your second anecdote. Are you saying that you're surprised that the new assistant would assume c.m. lovers were "mad" despite the fact you personally gave her no reason to think it? Why would that be a mystery to you? And exactly what will you "teach her"?


You find no mystery, yet paradoxically you are compelled to ask so many questions....let your imagination lead you....into the depths of beyond......


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"If I were but of noble birth..." - Rod Corkin

PDG
04-02-2001, 07:28 PM
Good post, Rodders! Obviously your cold has cleared up! Now, remember to take some Beethoven along to your next works convention so that when you give your nubile friend a good seeing to, she can also be enjoying a good listening to! http://www.gyrix.com/~cgraye/ubb/wink.gif

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PDG (Peter)

Peter
04-02-2001, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by Rod:
I stuck my hand in the bowl of sachets and plucked out one without thinking anything of it. However, I looked at the sachet and to my amazement there was Beethoven's face staring up at me printed on the packet!

Some years ago whilst out to dinner, I remember enjoying a glass of Beethoven wine - I have never seen this wine anywhere since, but I kept the bottle and turned it into a lamp!

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'Man know thyself'

Susan
04-03-2001, 02:00 AM
Ooooh, I love it when you English say 'whilst'; it's one of those delicous words that's hardly ever heard out here in the colonies. Rod, do give your nubile friend some good wine whilst you play the Beethoven; she will surely see the light! http://www.gyrix.com/~cgraye/ubb/smile.gif

Susan (from the land of 'eh')

Chris
04-03-2001, 02:28 AM
For some reason it really freaks me out when English people say "cheers." I don't know why, it just does http://www.gyrix.com/~cgraye/ubb/smile.gif

I am generally frightened of anything that is not common here in the US, actually http://www.gyrix.com/~cgraye/ubb/wink.gif One exception - the metric system. I spend all my life in labs and classrooms measuring stuff in cm, and now I have no idea what how much an inch is http://www.gyrix.com/~cgraye/ubb/biggrin.gif

PDG
04-03-2001, 01:04 PM
Originally posted by Peter:
Some years ago whilst out to dinner, I remember enjoying a glass of Beethoven wine - I have never seen this wine anywhere since, but I kept the bottle and turned it into a lamp!


Lampwick van Beethoven?

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PDG (Peter)

Peter
04-03-2001, 04:50 PM
Originally posted by PDG:
Lampwick van Beethoven?



I should have been as abstemious as Rod with his sugar and not opened the bottle - I've never seen another bottle of 'Beethoven' wine!

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'Man know thyself'

Rod
04-03-2001, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by Susan:
Rod, do give your nubile friend some good wine whilst you play the Beethoven; she will surely see the light! http://www.gyrix.com/~cgraye/ubb/smile.gif

Susan (from the land of 'eh')

Alas, I fear the light will not be seen in this particular case. However, the wine will probably play an important role if I am to give her a good 'seeing to'.



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"If I were but of noble birth..." - Rod Corkin

PDG
04-03-2001, 06:32 PM
Originally posted by Rod:
Alas, I fear the light will not be seen in this particular case. However, the wine will probably play an important role if I am to give her a good 'seeing to'.


Sorry to hear that you rely on outside stimulus, Rod. If you could do with some advice, just let me know.

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PDG (Peter)

Rod
04-03-2001, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by PDG:
Sorry to hear that you rely on outside stimulus, Rod. If you could do with some advice, just let me know.


It's not an issue of relying on outside stimulus, it's an issue of speeding up the process by a factor of 10 (at least). Time is of the essence! Music appreciation plays little or no part in this game. From my many years experience of people watching whilst cd shopping, the realm of classical music appreciation seems to be, alas, 85% (at least) male dominated.

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"If I were but of noble birth..." - Rod Corkin

Kevin
04-03-2001, 08:24 PM
Great discussion. I think the synchronistic nature of the event you described with the sugar is worth further exploration. Jung would suggest examining the occurance as if it were a dream. Look at the symbols and there meaning to you. Isn't it interesting that LvB is found in a packet of sugar and everything that sugar and sweets imply.
A great book on this subject of synchronicity(Acausal connection through meaning) is by Victor Mansfield entitled "Synchronicity, Science and Soul-Making(read as individuation).
I would love to have something like that, related to beethoven, happen to me. Whatever it was you are lucky and clearly a chosen prophet of the Titan.

PDG
04-04-2001, 01:24 AM
Originally posted by Kevin:
Great discussion. I think the synchronistic nature of the event you described with the sugar is worth further exploration. Jung would suggest examining the occurance as if it were a dream. Look at the symbols and there meaning to you. Isn't it interesting that LvB is found in a packet of sugar and everything that sugar and sweets imply.

Interesting, how?? What do sugar & sweets imply?

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PDG (Peter)

Rod
04-04-2001, 11:06 AM
Originally posted by Kevin:

I would love to have something like that, related to beethoven, happen to me. Whatever it was you are lucky and clearly a chosen prophet of the Titan.

This thought had occured to myself almost immediately, but being humble I kept quiet on the matter. However, since the subject has been brought up by your good self, I will now agree that my comming across this bag of sugar in a seedy cafe near Liverpool St. Station was Beethoven's way of telling me that I'm on the right track - thumbs up for the Graf!

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"If I were but of noble birth..." - Rod Corkin

Rod
04-04-2001, 12:33 PM
Originally posted by PDG:
Interesting, how?? What do sugar & sweets imply?


Simple - things that are good, like me - niceness, innocence, sincerity and also...er...obesity.

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"If I were but of noble birth..." - Rod Corkin

Peter
04-04-2001, 01:56 PM
Originally posted by Rod:
This thought had occured to myself almost immediately, but being humble I kept quiet on the matter. However, since the subject has been brought up by your good self, I will now agree that my comming across this bag of sugar in a seedy cafe near Liverpool St. Station was Beethoven's way of telling me that I'm on the right track - thumbs up for the Graf!



I use sweetex !

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'Man know thyself'

Rod
04-04-2001, 02:44 PM
Originally posted by Peter:
I use sweetex !


Of course you do - it's an inadequate and unsavoury tasting alternative to the real thing. It seems your taste in sweetners matches your taste in pianos (unless you've just got a problem with your weight!). Nevertheless, I admire consistancy.

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"If I were but of noble birth..." - Rod Corkin

Chris
04-04-2001, 06:13 PM
Rod, if you are this charming in real life, it's a wonder you don't get your ass kicked on a daily basis http://www.gyrix.com/~cgraye/ubb/wink.gif

PDG
04-04-2001, 06:56 PM
Originally posted by Rod:
Simple - things that are good, like me - niceness, innocence, sincerity and also...er...obesity.


Tooth decay & sticky fingers? BTW, sugar contains no fat - it is pure carbohydrate. (Dr. PDG)

Speaking of which, A JOKE!! - A man goes to the dentist for his usual check up. After prodding around inside the man's mouth, the dentist tells his patient: "I have good news & bad news. The good news is that your teeth are perfect; the bad news is that your gums will have to come out." http://www.gyrix.com/~cgraye/ubb/smile.gif

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PDG (Peter)

Peter
04-04-2001, 07:40 PM
Originally posted by Rod:
Of course you do - it's an inadequate and unsavoury tasting alternative to the real thing. It seems your taste in sweetners matches your taste in pianos (unless you've just got a problem with your weight!). Nevertheless, I admire consistancy.




On the contrary - Not only do I work out at the piano, but at the gym as well - I would interpet your selecting the Beethoven sugar as a signal from the great man that you are a bitter soul who could do with a bit of sweetening - perhaps you should have opened the sachet!


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'Man know thyself'

Peter
04-04-2001, 07:43 PM
Originally posted by PDG:

Speaking of which, A JOKE!! - A man goes to the dentist for his usual check up.


I have just endured the dentist myself today, fortunately only a filling. I consoled myself with the thought of dental treatment in B's day!

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'Man know thyself'

Serge
04-05-2001, 03:55 AM
Originally posted by Chris:
Rod, if you are this charming in real life, it's a wonder you don't get your ass kicked on a daily basis http://www.gyrix.com/~cgraye/ubb/wink.gif

May I add that if you think Ludwig was giving you some sort of heaven-sent affirmation, he's the biggest tease I know.

Rod
04-05-2001, 10:55 AM
Originally posted by Serge:
May I add that if you think Ludwig was giving you some sort of heaven-sent affirmation, he's the biggest tease I know.

It seems you guys couldn't recognise a tease if you were smacked in the face with it!


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Peter
04-05-2001, 11:48 AM
Originally posted by Rod:
It seems you guys couldn't recognise a tease if you were smacked in the face with it!



Now isn't that the word that comes after strip? Which reminds me of the incident when B exposed himself, related by Mosheles -

"I went early to see Beethoven. He was still in bed. On this day he was in an exceptionally good humour,jumped out of bed and, quite as he was, went and stood by the window, which overlooked the Schottenbastei. Quite naturally all the dear street urchins gathered under the window, until he exclaimed 'those damned boys,what do they want?' I pointed smilingly at him. 'Yes,yes ,you are right' he said, and quickly put on a dressing gown."



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'Man know thyself'

Suzie
04-08-2001, 06:43 PM
Originally posted by Peter:
Now isn't that the word that comes after strip? Which reminds me of the incident when B exposed himself, related by Mosheles -

"I went early to see Beethoven. He was still in bed. On this day he was in an exceptionally good humour,jumped out of bed and, quite as he was, went and stood by the window, which overlooked the Schottenbastei. Quite naturally all the dear street urchins gathered under the window, until he exclaimed 'those damned boys,what do they want?' I pointed smilingly at him. 'Yes,yes ,you are right' he said, and quickly put on a dressing gown."

Peter,

Thanks for easing the testosterone headache I was starting to get http://www.gyrix.com/~cgraye/ubb/smile.gif

Suzie

Peter
04-12-2001, 02:37 PM
Whilst (I know you American girls love this word!) out to lunch yesterday, I too was presented with the now famous Beethoven sugar by a friend - it can of course never be opened but must now take pride of place next to my Beethoven wine bottle lamp!

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'Man know thyself'

Susan
04-13-2001, 02:29 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Peter:
Whilst (I know you American girls love this word!)[/QUOTE

Canadian,eh?!! http://www.gyrix.com/~cgraye/ubb/smile.gif

Susan

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Serge
04-13-2001, 06:03 AM
Canadian,eh?!! http://www.gyrix.com/~cgraye/ubb/smile.gif
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How many of us are here on this forum? Two, at least..

Suzie
04-13-2001, 06:40 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Peter:
[B]Whilst (I know you American girls love this word!) out to lunch yesterday, I too was presented with the now famous Beethoven sugar by a friend - it can of course never be opened but must now take pride of place next to my Beethoven wine bottle lamp!

I say 'whilst' all the time. Somehow, it's just not the same as when you Brits do it http://www.gyrix.com/~cgraye/ubb/smile.gif

Joy
04-13-2001, 08:05 AM
Originally posted by Peter:
Whilst (I know you American girls love this word!) out to lunch yesterday, I too was presented with the now famous Beethoven sugar by a friend - it can of course never be opened but must now take pride of place next to my Beethoven wine bottle lamp!


Well, I'm American and you bet I love it when you all say "whilst". How come we don't talk like that? I think we lost it somewhere along the way.