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Claire W
03-26-2001, 06:53 PM
Just a quickie. Who or what do you all reckon was Beethoven's biggest influence?

Just wondering.

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Serge
03-26-2001, 09:06 PM
I can't narrow it down to just one. He was influenced by many people.

Composers: Mozart, Bach, and Handel, mostly. Was taught by Haydn and Albreschtberger (?)(once said Cherubini was the greatest living composer).

Writers: Goethe, and wasn't there some guy who wrote nice libretti who Ludwig used to talk to? Shakespeare was a minor influence.

Misc.: the countryside (Rhineland, Heilingstadt, etc) and increasing deafness were key influences for him, as were the ideals of the recently-occurring French Rev.

Kevin
03-26-2001, 09:53 PM
Homer's Odyssey and Plato were also big influences.

PDG
03-26-2001, 10:13 PM
As well as both his parents & successful Kapellmeister grandfather. His father's force-feeding of music lessons to young Ludwig MUST have had some bearing on the composer's rebellious streak. And, of course, Ludwig's mother's influence was highly personal (rather than musical) - he described her as "my best friend". Was SHE the Immortal Beloved? Hmmm...........

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Peter
03-26-2001, 10:33 PM
His teacher C.G.Neefe was also a very important influence - Beethoven wrote to him saying 'Thank you for the counsel you have so often given me in the progress of my God-given art. Should I ever become a great man, you will have contributed to it.....' .Neefe introduced Beethoven to the music of J.S.Bach at a time when Bach was almost forgotten. The sonatas of C.P.E.Bach and Clementi were also a great early influence.

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Serge
03-27-2001, 03:22 AM
We shouldn't forget Ludwig's patrons, who directly or not provided the means to an end. I believe Archduke Rudolf was esp. dear to B.

p.s., the I.B. being his own mom?? To paraphrase Oprah, let us NOT go there...

Peter
03-27-2001, 08:20 AM
Originally posted by Serge:
We shouldn't forget Ludwig's patrons, who directly or not provided the means to an end. I believe Archduke Rudolf was esp. dear to B.

p.s., the I.B. being his own mom?? To paraphrase Oprah, let us NOT go there...


I don't think B felt any great affection for Archduke Rudolph, as he often complained about him and the chore of having him as a pupil. I know he dedicated quite a few important works to him, but I think that was being politically astute - we know B was no admirer of the aristocracy.

Haven't seen Oprah for years as she has been consigned to channel 5 in the UK (only available to a limited audience) - We have the lamentable Ricki inflicted on us instead!

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'Man know thyself'